i'm really beginning to get used to my new (used) M-audio Delta 66 & the joys of envy24control (love easy routing/patching of spdif I/O to my ancient but still wonderful Finalizer and M2000). I'm also getting used to the stability and latency vs firewire and usb solutions...
<div><div><br></div><div>In the future, I'd like to build a laptop solution using the same "proven" technology, I'm wondering whether these would allow a PCI audio card w/</div><div>a laptop</div><div><br>
</div><div>*(1) <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Magma-Chassis-CardBus-to-PCI-Expansion-w-PCMCIA-2-Slot_W0QQitemZ120532361972QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c1049e2f4#ht_3361wt_1167" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/Magma-Chassis-CardBus-to-PCI-Expansion-w-PCMCIA-2-Slot_W0QQitemZ120532361972QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c1049e2f4#ht_3361wt_1167</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/330878-REG/Magma_CB364NE_3_Slot_CardBus_to_PCI.html">http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/330878-REG/Magma_CB364NE_3_Slot_CardBus_to_PCI.html</a></div><div><br></div>
<div><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Magma-Chassis-CardBus-to-PCI-Expansion-w-PCMCIA-2-Slot_W0QQitemZ120532361972QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c1049e2f4#ht_3361wt_1167" target="_blank"></a>*(2) <a href="http://www.team-solutions.com/Products/ISAPCI/PCIExp/1SlotCardBus.htm" target="_blank">http://www.team-solutions.com/Products/ISAPCI/PCIExp/1SlotCardBus.htm</a> or <a href="http://www.team-solutions.com/Products/ISAPCI/PCIExp/2SlotCardBus.htm" target="_blank">http://www.team-solutions.com/Products/ISAPCI/PCIExp/2SlotCardBus.htm</a></div>
<div>(looks like the OEM for magma given the look of: <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/276169-REG/Magma_CB1F_1_Slot_Cardbus_to_Full_Length.html" target="_blank">http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/276169-REG/Magma_CB1F_1_Slot_Cardbus_to_Full_Length.html</a> )</div>
<div><br></div><div>These PCI enclosures would house one or two M-Audio Delta-series cards, which are now availble dirt-cheap on ebay, now that everybody's using their laptops and usb/firewire.</div><div><br></div><div>
Seems like a used magma cardbus->pci box holding a pair of used delta 66's would be a cost-effective alternative to a firewire or RME cardbus solution, while potentially offering decent noise and sound && w/o resorting to further external boxes to distance the analog system from the computer (e.g. external a/d's and d/a's driven by spdif or toslink). In addition to the Delta 66 snd 44, I'm sure any properly "ground separated" balanced analog I/o builtin to a pci card would perform equivalently well, e.g. ESI Juli@ or Maya44.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The question is does the cardbus->pci box still allow the PCI audio card to work with the stock linux snd-ice1712 and envy24control?</div><div><br></div><div>Theoretically, since Cardbus is the same as the PCI bus, one would expect compatibility:</div>
<div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_card#CardBus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_card#CardBus</a></div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later (JEIDA 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced in 1995 and present in laptops from late 1997 onward. CardBus is effectively a 32-bit, 33 MHz <a href="/wiki/Peripheral_Component_Interconnect" title="Peripheral Component Interconnect" class="mw-redirect" style="background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">PCI</font></a> bus in the PC Card form factor. CardBus supports <a href="/wiki/Bus_mastering" title="Bus mastering" style="background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">bus mastering</font></a>, which allows a controller on the bus to talk to other devices or memory without going through the <a href="/wiki/Central_processing_unit" title="Central processing unit" style="background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">CPU</font></a>. Many chipsets, such as those that support <a href="/wiki/Wi-Fi" title="Wi-Fi" style="background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Wi-Fi</font></a>, are available for both PCI and CardBus.</blockquote>
</div><div><div><br></div><div>Niels<br><a href="http://nielsmayer.com" target="_blank">http://nielsmayer.com</a><br>
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</div><div>PS: is this also an issue on w/ the M-Audio delta 44/66's when ganged together via envy24control w/ digital sync??</div><div><a href="http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html" target="_blank">http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>PPS: Another non-FW/USB option is RME's "face" solution with their propprietary cardbus card; but those are as expensive, if not more expensive, than buying a new magma chassis and a new pci card<b>. <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; ">Also, due to rarity, chances are they won't be as heavily discounted as a used pci-enclosure && used delta 66's, and your paying for that expensive Xylinx FPGA instead of mass-produced silicon like <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; "><b><span style="font-weight: normal; "><a href="http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/envy24/" target="_blank">http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/envy24/</a> to basically get the same feature set as envy24control: <a href="http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul03/articles/rmehammerfall.asp">http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul03/articles/rmehammerfall.asp</a></span></b></span></b></span></b></div>
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