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I think so; I can't think of a reason why not; probably; I don't know
enough to be sure.<br>
<br>
I really can't overstate how nice RME hardware is. I haven't used any
hardware based on the Envy24 but there's really no way it could be
nicer than what RME does.<br>
<br>
You should let us know if you get it working, and how it does!<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
On 02/24/2010 04:12 PM, Niels Mayer wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:6fb2fb121002241512l3bfd0bd5t707550c552e960cf@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">i'm really beginning to get used to my new (used) M-audio
Delta 66 & the joys of envy24control (love easy routing/patching of
spdif I/O to my ancient but still wonderful Finalizer and M2000). I'm
also getting used to the stability and latency vs firewire and usb
solutions...
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In the future, I'd like to build a laptop solution using the
same "proven" technology, I'm wondering whether these would allow a PCI
audio card w/</div>
<div>a laptop</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>*(1) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Magma-Chassis-CardBus-to-PCI-Expansion-w-PCMCIA-2-Slot_W0QQitemZ120532361972QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c1049e2f4#ht_3361wt_1167"
target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/Magma-Chassis-CardBus-to-PCI-Expansion-w-PCMCIA-2-Slot_W0QQitemZ120532361972QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c1049e2f4#ht_3361wt_1167</a></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/330878-REG/Magma_CB364NE_3_Slot_CardBus_to_PCI.html">http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/330878-REG/Magma_CB364NE_3_Slot_CardBus_to_PCI.html</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>*(2) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.team-solutions.com/Products/ISAPCI/PCIExp/1SlotCardBus.htm"
target="_blank">http://www.team-solutions.com/Products/ISAPCI/PCIExp/1SlotCardBus.htm</a>
or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.team-solutions.com/Products/ISAPCI/PCIExp/2SlotCardBus.htm"
target="_blank">http://www.team-solutions.com/Products/ISAPCI/PCIExp/2SlotCardBus.htm</a></div>
<div>(looks like the OEM for magma given the look of: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/276169-REG/Magma_CB1F_1_Slot_Cardbus_to_Full_Length.html"
target="_blank">http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/276169-REG/Magma_CB1F_1_Slot_Cardbus_to_Full_Length.html</a>
)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These PCI enclosures would house one or two M-Audio Delta-series
cards, which are now availble dirt-cheap on ebay, now that everybody's
using their laptops and usb/firewire.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Seems like a used magma cardbus->pci box holding a pair of
used delta 66's would be a cost-effective alternative to a firewire or
RME cardbus solution, while potentially offering decent noise and sound
&& w/o resorting to further external boxes to distance the
analog system from the computer (e.g. external a/d's and d/a's driven
by spdif or toslink). In addition to the Delta 66 snd 44, I'm sure any
properly "ground separated" balanced analog I/o builtin to a pci card
would perform equivalently well, e.g. ESI Juli@ or Maya44.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The question is does the cardbus->pci box still allow the PCI
audio card to work with the stock linux snd-ice1712 and envy24control?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Theoretically, since Cardbus is the same as the PCI bus, one
would expect compatibility:</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_card#CardBus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_card#CardBus</a></div>
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<div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">CardBus
are PCMCIA 5.0 or later (JEIDA 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices,
introduced in 1995 and present in laptops from late 1997 onward.
CardBus is effectively a 32-bit, 33 MHz <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="/wiki/Peripheral_Component_Interconnect"
title="Peripheral Component Interconnect" class="mw-redirect"
style="background-image: none;"><font class="Apple-style-span"
color="#000000">PCI</font></a> bus in the PC Card form factor. CardBus
supports <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="/wiki/Bus_mastering"
title="Bus mastering" style="background-image: none;"><font
class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">bus mastering</font></a>,
which allows a controller on the bus to talk to other devices or memory
without going through the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="/wiki/Central_processing_unit" title="Central processing unit"
style="background-image: none;"><font class="Apple-style-span"
color="#000000">CPU</font></a>. Many chipsets, such as those that
support <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="/wiki/Wi-Fi" title="Wi-Fi"
style="background-image: none;"><font class="Apple-style-span"
color="#000000">Wi-Fi</font></a>, are available for both PCI and
CardBus.</blockquote>
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<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Niels<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://nielsmayer.com" target="_blank">http://nielsmayer.com</a><br>
<br>
</div>
<div>PS: is this also an issue on w/ the M-Audio delta 44/66's when
ganged together via envy24control w/ digital sync??</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html"
target="_blank">http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>PPS: Another non-FW/USB option is RME's "face" solution with
their propprietary cardbus card; but those are as expensive, if not
more expensive, than buying a new magma chassis and a new pci card<b>. <span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;">Also, due to
rarity, chances are they won't be as heavily discounted as a used
pci-enclosure && used delta 66's, and your paying for that
expensive Xylinx FPGA instead of mass-produced silicon like <b><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><b><span
style="font-weight: normal;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/envy24/"
target="_blank">http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/envy24/</a> to
basically get the same feature set as envy24control: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul03/articles/rmehammerfall.asp">http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul03/articles/rmehammerfall.asp</a></span></b></span></b></span></b></div>
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