<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Orcan Ogetbil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oget.fedora@gmail.com">oget.fedora@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Simon Lewis wrote:<br>
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> Sorry, Orcan Ogetbil is the package specialist...<br>
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</div>Sorry, I am reluctant to package a random SVN revision and put it into<br>
stable updates. Is there a specific patch (or a set of patches) that I<br>
can backport to the latest stable version to resolve your issues?<br>
<br>
Or let me rephrase my question. What is the *earliest* SVN revision<br>
that your issue is fixed. Maybe I can track the patch from there.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I strongly second that this version of qtractor be included in the CCRMA repo. It is very solid, and very nice!! I've tested it extensively today and it never crashed, never did anything unexpected, and kept up with everything. I was also wondering when I'll be giving rosegarden another chance, as qtractor is much closer to what I expect as it's based on the last sensible DAW I ever used: Cakewalk Pro Audio ( <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 136, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><a href="http://www.rncbc.org/jack/qtractor-0.1.0-whitepaper.pdf">http://www.rncbc.org/jack/qtractor-0.1.0-whitepaper.pdf</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 136, 0); white-space: nowrap; "> </span>). Yes, rosegarden's integrated notation, extensive feature set, documentation and maturity is great. But the direct integration of audio and midi, and the simplicity and "ease of flow" of qtractor is more important for my purposes. Given that many of the "future features" from the aforementioned whitepaper have already been implemented, I have high hopes that qtractor will be able to remain competitive with any future developments on other platforms and other DAWs.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Other than its complete jack-ification, the thing that makes qtractor stand out is the compatibility with Cakewalk instrument definition files available on the net. For example, I quickly googled-upon <a href="http://www.cybertown.com/xginstr.zip">http://www.cybertown.com/xginstr.zip</a> --> YamahaXG.ins, a Cakewalk instrument definition file which creates names for patches, voices, banks in my Yamaha db60xg synth-daughterboard. I'm sure all my other synths and gear will be just as easy to find because there's a lot of Cakewalk users on the internet.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Another important feature is midi controller mappings, which are hellishly tedious to implement in a one-off fashion. It is nice that qtractor provides a framework on which people can start sharing control surface layouts and definitions, just like cakewalk did with it's .ins format: <a href="http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/142">http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/142</a></div>
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Greatest thanks goes to Mathias Krause aka gizzmo, who contributed with the fundamental code to the new MIDI controller mapping functionality that now widens the <a href="http://qtractor.sourceforge.net"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Qtractor</font></a> horizon with regard from generic control surfaces. Being the <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><a href="http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCF2000.aspx">Behringer BCF2000</a> </font>a notable example, control feedback is fully supported so that those fancy motorized faders, knobs and lights, actually reflect the whole mixing and editing session state. Some pre-made files are here provided for your convenience: <a href="/datahub/bcx2000.qtc"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">bcx2000.qtc</font></a> is to import into Qtractor (View/Controllers...) and a couple of presets goes into your BCF2000, <a href="/datahub/Qtractor_Mixer_1-8.syx"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Qtractor_Mixer_1-8.syx</font></a> and <a href="/datahub/Qtractor_Mixer_9-16.syx"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Qtractor_Mixer_9-16.syx</font></a>, respectively for the first and second set of eight channel/track strips.</blockquote>
</div><div><br></div><div>W/r/t packaging a "random svn revision" -- this seems a common occurrence in Fedora:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
mplayer-common-1.0-0.112.20100424svn.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
ffmpeg-libs-0.5-5.20091026svn.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
webkitpart-0.0.5-0.2.svn1088283.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
mencoder-1.0-0.112.20100424svn.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
libdvdnav-4.1.4-0.1.svn1184.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
qimageblitz-0.0.4-0.6.svn706674.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
gnome-keyring-sharp-1.0.1-0.5.133722svn.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
libdvdread-4.1.4-0.2.svn1188.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
mplayer-1.0-0.112.20100424svn.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
qtractor-0.4.5svn1517-2.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
mono-addins-0.4-9.20091702svn127062.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
xjadeo-0.4.7-1.svn200.fc12.ccrma.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
ltrace-0.5-14.45svn.fc12.x86_64</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
ffmpeg-0.5-5.20091026svn.fc12.x86_64</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>A random "snapshot" numbered release makes sense, if it fixes a platform bug in a major release, such as the x86_64-specific problem, and crashing when loading project files from prior versions. For example, I recently posted about the latest Fedora qtractor regularly core-dumping: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/Re:-qtractor-on-planetccrma-older-than-rpmfusion-version--p28552771.html">http://old.nabble.com/Re:-qtractor-on-planetccrma-older-than-rpmfusion-version--p28552771.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Simon Lewis mentioned ( <a href="http://old.nabble.com/qtractor-on-planetccrma-older-than-rpmfusion%09version--p28553871.html">http://old.nabble.com/qtractor-on-planetccrma-older-than-rpmfusion%09version--p28553871.html</a> )</div>
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Try svn 1517 of Qtractor, there is a bug fix for loading projects saved from earlier versions. I can send you the srpm if you like - its 700k.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I tested qtractor-0.4.5svn1517-2.fc12.x86_64 today from Simon's SRPM and was able to edit files that I had formerly recorded but could never load again without crashing. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I haven't yet tested any of the plugins, but I noted that it seems to have very complete support for all the major plugin formats, once you go to View->Options...->Plugins and setup /usr/llib64/dssi /usr/lib64/ladspa /usr/lib64/lv2 (which needs to be done manually).</div>
<div><br></div><div>-- Niels</div><div><a href="http://nielsmayer.com">http://nielsmayer.com</a></div><div><br></div></div>