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<font size=3>Yes, I think the desktop environment should be cleanly split
into two cases such as "tablet" and "desktop".
Trying to merge the paradigms seems like a really bad idea.
Productivity is for the desktop while tablets and phones are only
efficient for reading/searching and typing short, one-line messages once
in a while. - Julius<br><br>
At 11:58 AM 1/23/2013, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On 01/23/2013 08:39 AM, Bill
Schottstaedt wrote:<br>
> I tried to install FC 18 from a DvD (the ISO image option)
since<br>
> my web connection is tricky.<br><br>
Yes, the installer was puzzling to say the least. I managed to navigate
<br>
it but I was like "what?" I installed from the gnome dvd and
after that <br>
I added the MATE, XFce, Cinnamon and other more palatable desktops <br>
through yum groupinstall. I guess that would not work for a not very
<br>
fast internet connection.<br><br>
I would give some time to the new installer. It is new and different and
<br>
we all hate different at first (I think). It does not make any sense to
<br>
me now, but what do I know?<br><br>
I don't have much hope, though. I gave time to gnome3, a lot of time,
<br>
and it still feels LESS productive to use than other "older and
obsolete <br>
paradigm" desktops. It does not seem to be getting any better or I'm
too <br>
old to learn new tricks. Progress. I imagine many users (including, I
<br>
hope, the developers) must be thrilled at their new found <br>
"productivity", maybe because that is not important to them. It
would <br>
seem that what is important to them is, exclusively, the world of tablet
<br>
computing where users just "consume" stuff and point at things.
I use <br>
laptops and desktops and the paradigm does not fit (and if I had a <br>
tablet it would not be running Fedora).<br><br>
-- Fernando<br><br>
> I don't recommend this! I wanted<br>
> xfce+emacs+tcsh+gcc. I got gcc, and wasted an afternoon.<br>
> If Gnome locks the screen, you need to "sweep" upwards
to<br>
> get going again. Luckily Fernando had warned me about
this.<br>
> I'd like to ask Fedora how an ISO image user is supposed to<br>
> get xfce (not Gnome!) and the development tools in the same<br>
> installation. If you choose xfce, the installer unchooses
the<br>
> development stuff, and vice-versa.<br><br>
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Julius O. Smith III <jos@ccrma.stanford.edu><br>
Prof. of Music and Assoc. Prof. (by courtesy) of Electrical
Engineering<br>
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